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	<title>Comments on: The freedom of the experience of our lives</title>
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		<title>By: Amelia</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2010/freedom-of-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-8920</link>
		<dc:creator>Amelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 06:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Free will exists, even in the child with ADHD, and we experience it as self-responsibility. We may feel as though we have no control over our actions or situations or relationships, but when we ask ourselves how we have contributed and accept responsibility for being there and somehow needing to at least believe whatever it is, we discover our own self. It can be painful to accept this but when we do, we heal to new depths of our own being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free will exists, even in the child with ADHD, and we experience it as self-responsibility. We may feel as though we have no control over our actions or situations or relationships, but when we ask ourselves how we have contributed and accept responsibility for being there and somehow needing to at least believe whatever it is, we discover our own self. It can be painful to accept this but when we do, we heal to new depths of our own being.</p>
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		<title>By: nick karapondo</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2010/freedom-of-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-6736</link>
		<dc:creator>nick karapondo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, call me simple-minded, but its obvious we do have free will.  Every choice we make, no matter the parameters involved, boils down to that.  And it&#039;s all discretionary.  And most don&#039;t matter in the least, with regard to anything except intellectual masturbation.  More to the point, though, is the Choices we make which makes a difference in our lives... those that our conscience weighs heavily.  It is in those that the opportunity for real spiritual growth (ascension) are birthed.  Recognizing these, we can start to take true responsibility for our own evolution, and push the veil of consciousness off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, call me simple-minded, but its obvious we do have free will.  Every choice we make, no matter the parameters involved, boils down to that.  And it&#8217;s all discretionary.  And most don&#8217;t matter in the least, with regard to anything except intellectual masturbation.  More to the point, though, is the Choices we make which makes a difference in our lives&#8230; those that our conscience weighs heavily.  It is in those that the opportunity for real spiritual growth (ascension) are birthed.  Recognizing these, we can start to take true responsibility for our own evolution, and push the veil of consciousness off.</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2010/freedom-of-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-6411</link>
		<dc:creator>Maureen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 03:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Grossman shares a profound thought worthy of much pondering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Grossman shares a profound thought worthy of much pondering.</p>
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		<title>By: David Grossman</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2010/freedom-of-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-6354</link>
		<dc:creator>David Grossman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One idea that may be helpful in peeling away the layers toward fuller awareness is that &quot;we are free as cause but not as effect&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One idea that may be helpful in peeling away the layers toward fuller awareness is that &#8220;we are free as cause but not as effect&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Katinka - Spirituality</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2010/freedom-of-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-6294</link>
		<dc:creator>Katinka - Spirituality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A reader writes:
&lt;blockquote&gt;a better question would be, what constitutes free will?  if everything we do, say, and think has a cause, or a combination of causes, or a process that motors our actions, then what is the definition of determinism?  do we have free will if some of our &quot;causations&quot; are internal vs. external?  conscious vs. unconscious?
some of our actions/decisions are automatic, some are conscious.  exclude the automatic actions (like breathing, reflexes).
what determines a conscious action?  genetics and the way we were raised (nature and nurture) are the biggest ones, although there are others like prenatal conditions, diet, substance abuse... all external and beyond our control.  or things like personality, temperament, passion, interest... which are internal and cannot be pinned down as to what, exactly, causes our personality to develop.  or our temperament.  what causes some people to be more passionate than others, and some to have more interest in various things than others?  we certainly can control our reactions to things, to a great extent.  we can swallow our pride, or control our anger, divert our lust, cultivate an interest or deliberately ignore one.  we can overcome phobias, become more outgoing, cheer ourselves up, etc... so we do have free will if the definition is based on control.  these are all examples of controlling an external reaction, but there are examples of people controlling physical reactions.
a person in emotional turmoil will often have physical symptoms, such as a gut-wrenching fear, or headaches/bellyaches/jointaches caused by depression.  a person can alter his or her perception based on emotional fears or the *desire* to experience something physical... an example of the former being hypochondriacs, an example of the latter being hysterical pregnancies.  so not only does the physical world stick its fingers in the mental world, but the mental world often sticks its fingers in the physical.  people have often been able to exert their will in intense physical ways, like enduring the elements or lifting heavy objects to save loved ones, but whether that will is &quot;free&quot; or not depends on how you define &quot;free will.&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;d like to response that this is precisely the issue: what is determined by circumstances (determinism), and what do we have &#039;control&#039; over, and what is that  - to have control over something, and is free will only a conscious thing, or something that perhaps the unconscious has something to do with as well?
Defining these things may seem to help, but I don&#039;t think that it really does. Anyhow, it&#039;s beyond me to define them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A reader writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>a better question would be, what constitutes free will?  if everything we do, say, and think has a cause, or a combination of causes, or a process that motors our actions, then what is the definition of determinism?  do we have free will if some of our &#8220;causations&#8221; are internal vs. external?  conscious vs. unconscious?<br />
some of our actions/decisions are automatic, some are conscious.  exclude the automatic actions (like breathing, reflexes).<br />
what determines a conscious action?  genetics and the way we were raised (nature and nurture) are the biggest ones, although there are others like prenatal conditions, diet, substance abuse&#8230; all external and beyond our control.  or things like personality, temperament, passion, interest&#8230; which are internal and cannot be pinned down as to what, exactly, causes our personality to develop.  or our temperament.  what causes some people to be more passionate than others, and some to have more interest in various things than others?  we certainly can control our reactions to things, to a great extent.  we can swallow our pride, or control our anger, divert our lust, cultivate an interest or deliberately ignore one.  we can overcome phobias, become more outgoing, cheer ourselves up, etc&#8230; so we do have free will if the definition is based on control.  these are all examples of controlling an external reaction, but there are examples of people controlling physical reactions.<br />
a person in emotional turmoil will often have physical symptoms, such as a gut-wrenching fear, or headaches/bellyaches/jointaches caused by depression.  a person can alter his or her perception based on emotional fears or the *desire* to experience something physical&#8230; an example of the former being hypochondriacs, an example of the latter being hysterical pregnancies.  so not only does the physical world stick its fingers in the mental world, but the mental world often sticks its fingers in the physical.  people have often been able to exert their will in intense physical ways, like enduring the elements or lifting heavy objects to save loved ones, but whether that will is &#8220;free&#8221; or not depends on how you define &#8220;free will.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d like to response that this is precisely the issue: what is determined by circumstances (determinism), and what do we have &#8216;control&#8217; over, and what is that  &#8211; to have control over something, and is free will only a conscious thing, or something that perhaps the unconscious has something to do with as well? </p>
<p>Defining these things may seem to help, but I don&#8217;t think that it really does. Anyhow, it&#8217;s beyond me to define them.</p>
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		<title>By: Sander</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2010/freedom-of-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-6223</link>
		<dc:creator>Sander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an all or nothing game? Or are there levels of free will depending on awareness. Outer circumstances and inner conditions are created by yourself. If you think thats true then ultimately you&#039;ve created yourself and forgot about it. Thought that leads to oneness and the ability to ongoing recreate yourself. No free will and all conditioned looks mechanical to me and senseless. Free seems to imply apart from anything else, also senseless. One free will or a lot of independent free wills? Curious how you define &quot;free&quot; Katinka?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an all or nothing game? Or are there levels of free will depending on awareness. Outer circumstances and inner conditions are created by yourself. If you think thats true then ultimately you&#8217;ve created yourself and forgot about it. Thought that leads to oneness and the ability to ongoing recreate yourself. No free will and all conditioned looks mechanical to me and senseless. Free seems to imply apart from anything else, also senseless. One free will or a lot of independent free wills? Curious how you define &#8220;free&#8221; Katinka?</p>
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