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		<title>By: Leo Gerritsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo Gerritsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 05:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True love DEMANDS the Truth!  &lt;i&gt;
 
But the True Truth is as one sees it, seeing ALL (or more than &quot;the average person&quot;) means one can be compassionate and tell what comes close to what can be understood.

the truth will set me free  &lt;i&gt;

So I am willing to hear the truth of other people even when it shocks me or offends me or angers me . . . 
Even when that truth is something I not agree with ????
Luckily some people know me so well they only speak to me the truth I can understand, or can grasp at :)

I like Terry Pratchett&#039;s book &#039;The Truth&#039;

and then there is the old Dutch proverb (Confucius ? )
HOREN ZIEN EN ZWIJGEN in english: &#039;See all, hear all, say nowt&#039; 

Thanks Katinka for making me clear my mind about so many subjects on your blog !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True love DEMANDS the Truth!  <i></p>
<p>But the True Truth is as one sees it, seeing ALL (or more than &#8220;the average person&#8221;) means one can be compassionate and tell what comes close to what can be understood.</p>
<p>the truth will set me free  </i><i></p>
<p>So I am willing to hear the truth of other people even when it shocks me or offends me or angers me . . .<br />
Even when that truth is something I not agree with ????<br />
Luckily some people know me so well they only speak to me the truth I can understand, or can grasp at <img src='http://www.allconsidering.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I like Terry Pratchett&#8217;s book &#8216;The Truth&#8217;</p>
<p>and then there is the old Dutch proverb (Confucius ? )<br />
HOREN ZIEN EN ZWIJGEN in english: &#8216;See all, hear all, say nowt&#8217; </p>
<p>Thanks Katinka for making me clear my mind about so many subjects on your blog !</i></p>
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		<title>By: Rod Halver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod Halver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said, I’m sure she has no idea of what home means. I think that in Grandma&#039;s mind Home is not about getting there it&#039;s a place she would like to be. During her life time there were likely several places that could be Home not necessarily the most recent place she lived. It could be a place she lived as a child or as a young person living away from home for the first time or the place where her children were born. So maybe it is a train ride to a place far away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said, I’m sure she has no idea of what home means. I think that in Grandma&#8217;s mind Home is not about getting there it&#8217;s a place she would like to be. During her life time there were likely several places that could be Home not necessarily the most recent place she lived. It could be a place she lived as a child or as a young person living away from home for the first time or the place where her children were born. So maybe it is a train ride to a place far away.</p>
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		<title>By: spiri2al.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>spiri2al.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 03:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Truth and lies - right and wrong?...&lt;/strong&gt;

Another insightful post from All Considered.  Definitely check this blog out....</description>
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<p>Another insightful post from All Considered.  Definitely check this blog out&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: amabayag</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2009/truth-and-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-426</link>
		<dc:creator>amabayag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Honesty is the best policy.&quot; Be responsible what are the things you say, there is always consequence in everything we say/do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Honesty is the best policy.&#8221; Be responsible what are the things you say, there is always consequence in everything we say/do.</p>
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		<title>By: Eerlijk duurt het langst&#8230; behalve&#8230; &#124; Overpeinzende</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2009/truth-and-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-425</link>
		<dc:creator>Eerlijk duurt het langst&#8230; behalve&#8230; &#124; Overpeinzende</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] mijn Engelse weblog heb ik afgelopen vrijdag een stukje geschreven over waarheid en leugen. De reacties maakten dat stukje nog interessanter. Ik werd me ervan bewust dat ik niet meer de [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] mijn Engelse weblog heb ik afgelopen vrijdag een stukje geschreven over waarheid en leugen. De reacties maakten dat stukje nog interessanter. Ik werd me ervan bewust dat ik niet meer de [...]</p>
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		<title>By: katinka - spiritual</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2009/truth-and-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-427</link>
		<dc:creator>katinka - spiritual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s very brave to tell your kids the truth. Especially in their teenage years - but that is also the precise moment when they are starting to become conscious of their parents as separate human beings with failings and all that. So it&#039;s the best time. Do it later and your kids will have reason to blame you. Do it too soon and you burden them with sorrows they aren&#039;t ready for.

I think your example of having overcome sin and adversity is likely to be inspiring, and not likely to make them go the wrong path. It is more likely to prevent them from following in your footsteps (though there are no guarantees, obviously).

So I certainly DO NOT THINK you should shrink from telling them the truth. They are not mentally disabled or anything of the kind, are they?

But do tell your story in a way that they can understand.

I would certainly not advertise keeping people in the dark who can handle more truth than they have at present. That&#039;s as ignorant as trying to force people to see truths they aren&#039;t ready for. I&#039;m not one of those who thinks people will &#039;find out for themselves&#039;.

In general we are not clairvoyant to that extent. Humans learn from each other - that&#039;s how we tick. Communication is very important in relationships - and with the world as complicated as it is, kids should learn that skill in their parents house. You are giving the right example in that sense as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s very brave to tell your kids the truth. Especially in their teenage years &#8211; but that is also the precise moment when they are starting to become conscious of their parents as separate human beings with failings and all that. So it&#8217;s the best time. Do it later and your kids will have reason to blame you. Do it too soon and you burden them with sorrows they aren&#8217;t ready for.</p>
<p>I think your example of having overcome sin and adversity is likely to be inspiring, and not likely to make them go the wrong path. It is more likely to prevent them from following in your footsteps (though there are no guarantees, obviously).</p>
<p>So I certainly DO NOT THINK you should shrink from telling them the truth. They are not mentally disabled or anything of the kind, are they?</p>
<p>But do tell your story in a way that they can understand.</p>
<p>I would certainly not advertise keeping people in the dark who can handle more truth than they have at present. That&#8217;s as ignorant as trying to force people to see truths they aren&#8217;t ready for. I&#8217;m not one of those who thinks people will &#8216;find out for themselves&#8217;.</p>
<p>In general we are not clairvoyant to that extent. Humans learn from each other &#8211; that&#8217;s how we tick. Communication is very important in relationships &#8211; and with the world as complicated as it is, kids should learn that skill in their parents house. You are giving the right example in that sense as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Melvin_H_Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melvin_H_Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True love DEMANDS the Truth!
We all fail to tell the truth.  We all delve to rationalize our lies.  We all sympathize with those dealing with difficult situations.
I am in process of telling my teenage children about my life.  This is a humbling experience.  I have and will continue to tell them the truth about the mistakes that I have made.  I will do this even though it is uncomfortable and inconvenient for me.  I will do this even though it could serve as encouragement for them to do unwise and unsafe activities.  I will do this even though it could harm our relationship.  I will do this because it is the truth and they deserve the truth.
Right now my kids have a false vision of their father (me).  They think he has not sinned to any great degree.  They think he has led an exemplary moral life.  Some commenters here might say that I should not force my version of the truth on them.  That is as self centered as it gets.
When asked, every person is obligated to render a truthful account; ALWAYS!
In the love of Christ,
-Mel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True love DEMANDS the Truth!<br />
We all fail to tell the truth.  We all delve to rationalize our lies.  We all sympathize with those dealing with difficult situations.<br />
I am in process of telling my teenage children about my life.  This is a humbling experience.  I have and will continue to tell them the truth about the mistakes that I have made.  I will do this even though it is uncomfortable and inconvenient for me.  I will do this even though it could serve as encouragement for them to do unwise and unsafe activities.  I will do this even though it could harm our relationship.  I will do this because it is the truth and they deserve the truth.<br />
Right now my kids have a false vision of their father (me).  They think he has not sinned to any great degree.  They think he has led an exemplary moral life.  Some commenters here might say that I should not force my version of the truth on them.  That is as self centered as it gets.<br />
When asked, every person is obligated to render a truthful account; ALWAYS!<br />
In the love of Christ,<br />
-Mel</p>
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		<title>By: katinka - spiritual</title>
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		<dc:creator>katinka - spiritual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 08:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Metaphysical Junkie. It must be hard to deal with a Schizophrenic mother.

I think perhaps this subject has something to do with respecting that my version of the truth is only my version of it. It may have more in common with those around me than my grandmother&#039;s version, but it is still only my own perspective. And it&#039;s just not important enough to force on others. That would be arrogant and unkind of me.

In my grandmother&#039;s case I only remind her that her husband has died (for instance) when she wonders out loud where he is. That very wondering in her is the opening that shows that she&#039;s ready for that bit of truth at that point in time. For her, like for your mother, it&#039;s more important to be emotionally calm than it is to hear our version of reality.

There just isn&#039;t room in her head for everything I might tell her. Who am I to fight with nature?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Metaphysical Junkie. It must be hard to deal with a Schizophrenic mother.</p>
<p>I think perhaps this subject has something to do with respecting that my version of the truth is only my version of it. It may have more in common with those around me than my grandmother&#8217;s version, but it is still only my own perspective. And it&#8217;s just not important enough to force on others. That would be arrogant and unkind of me.</p>
<p>In my grandmother&#8217;s case I only remind her that her husband has died (for instance) when she wonders out loud where he is. That very wondering in her is the opening that shows that she&#8217;s ready for that bit of truth at that point in time. For her, like for your mother, it&#8217;s more important to be emotionally calm than it is to hear our version of reality.</p>
<p>There just isn&#8217;t room in her head for everything I might tell her. Who am I to fight with nature?</p>
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		<title>By: Metaphysical Junkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metaphysical Junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a response to Roy&#039;s post, I&#039;ve never personally perceived truth to be so scarce as to think there &quot;is so little truth in this world&quot; and that &quot;so few truly value and respect Truth.&quot;    I see truth everywhere.  I also sometimes see people telling lies, mostly on tv, but that it is their problem.  Not mine.  Generally I am pretty good at keeping liars out of my personal life, thank goodness.

I think we humans do the best we know how.  There is no way that there is going to be perfect truth in this world by every single person.  As someone whose mother is delusional from schizophrenia, I know first hand that it is pointless to be rational with someone whose &quot;truth&quot; involves nurses who &quot;don&#039;t know how to spell&quot;, whose arms have been &quot;broken&quot; in her mind (but not in reality) for the past 5 years, and has told me several times that she has &quot;died.&quot;  Trying to be logical and telling her that people are in fact NOT illiterate, that her arms are just fine, and that she never died does nothing but infuriate her.  And this often results in her screaming at me in frustration.  In this case the truth, MY truth, just makes things worse for her.

I could go into how truth is sometimes relative, and not a black and white issue, and how we all have different &quot;truths&quot; in our minds anyway.  But then I&#039;d be making this into a bigger deal than I feel it&#039;s worth.  The way I see it, we will never know complete &quot;truth&quot; until we go back home to source anyway.

(When it comes down to it, isn&#039;t life itself supposed to be a dream?)  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a response to Roy&#8217;s post, I&#8217;ve never personally perceived truth to be so scarce as to think there &#8220;is so little truth in this world&#8221; and that &#8220;so few truly value and respect Truth.&#8221;    I see truth everywhere.  I also sometimes see people telling lies, mostly on tv, but that it is their problem.  Not mine.  Generally I am pretty good at keeping liars out of my personal life, thank goodness.</p>
<p>I think we humans do the best we know how.  There is no way that there is going to be perfect truth in this world by every single person.  As someone whose mother is delusional from schizophrenia, I know first hand that it is pointless to be rational with someone whose &#8220;truth&#8221; involves nurses who &#8220;don&#8217;t know how to spell&#8221;, whose arms have been &#8220;broken&#8221; in her mind (but not in reality) for the past 5 years, and has told me several times that she has &#8220;died.&#8221;  Trying to be logical and telling her that people are in fact NOT illiterate, that her arms are just fine, and that she never died does nothing but infuriate her.  And this often results in her screaming at me in frustration.  In this case the truth, MY truth, just makes things worse for her.</p>
<p>I could go into how truth is sometimes relative, and not a black and white issue, and how we all have different &#8220;truths&#8221; in our minds anyway.  But then I&#8217;d be making this into a bigger deal than I feel it&#8217;s worth.  The way I see it, we will never know complete &#8220;truth&#8221; until we go back home to source anyway.</p>
<p>(When it comes down to it, isn&#8217;t life itself supposed to be a dream?)  <img src='http://www.allconsidering.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would think that the vast majority of people would respond much the same as this:
&quot;Do I believe in speaking the truth as much as possible? Yes, of course I do.&quot;

What is problematic is that almost all of them believe that they are doing just that no matter how much they lie.  They tell themselves, &quot;It&#039;s business&quot;, &quot;They might think negatively about me&quot;, &quot;Telling my spouse about my infidelity would only hurt him/her&quot;, etc. No matter what it is, there&#039;s a way to &quot;justify&quot; it to themselves. One of the reasons that there is so little truth in this world is because this type of thinking is not only not discouraged, but encouraged - even by those who should know better. They leave the door open to allow for their own transgressions. You might want to ask yourself how the following fits into your motivation: &quot;So I can in fact tell her anything that will calm her down and shut her up. Sometimes that means lying.&quot;

Do you ever wonder why so few truly value and respect Truth. Do you ever wonder why so few realize Truth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think that the vast majority of people would respond much the same as this:<br />
&#8220;Do I believe in speaking the truth as much as possible? Yes, of course I do.&#8221;</p>
<p>What is problematic is that almost all of them believe that they are doing just that no matter how much they lie.  They tell themselves, &#8220;It&#8217;s business&#8221;, &#8220;They might think negatively about me&#8221;, &#8220;Telling my spouse about my infidelity would only hurt him/her&#8221;, etc. No matter what it is, there&#8217;s a way to &#8220;justify&#8221; it to themselves. One of the reasons that there is so little truth in this world is because this type of thinking is not only not discouraged, but encouraged &#8211; even by those who should know better. They leave the door open to allow for their own transgressions. You might want to ask yourself how the following fits into your motivation: &#8220;So I can in fact tell her anything that will calm her down and shut her up. Sometimes that means lying.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you ever wonder why so few truly value and respect Truth. Do you ever wonder why so few realize Truth?</p>
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