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		<title>By: socratus</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2009/organized-religion-science-atheism/comment-page-1/#comment-35834</link>
		<dc:creator>socratus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God as a Scientist : Ten Scientific Commandments. 
==. 
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God Himself is Creator.
He/She/It created Everything.
 So God must be Scientist and must use Physical/ 
Mathematical Laws and Formulas for His/Her/Its work.
#
For forty days and forty nights Moses wrote the tablets
 of  ‘ The Ten Commandments’.
Which Commandments are they?
They are moral, ethical Commandments.
Can be written ‘Ten Scientific Commandments’ ?
I think ‘ Yes’, God has given to us everything that necessary
 to understand Him and His Genesis using Physical / 
Mathematical Laws and Formulas.
===. 
Scheme.   
Ten Scientific Commandments:
Fundamental Theory of Existence.

1 The infinite vacuum T=0K. ( background energy space: E ).
2 The particle:
 C/D = pi, R/N= k , E = Mc^2 = kc^2 , h = 0 , i^2= -1
3 The spins: h =E/t , h =kb, h* = h/2pi
4 The photon, the inertia
5 The electron: e^2 = h*ca, E = h*f , electromagnetic field
6 The gravitation, the star, the time and space
7 The Proton
8
The Evolution of interaction between Electron and Proton
a) electromagnetic
b) nuclear
c) biological
9
The Laws
a) The Law of conservation and transformation energy/mass
b) The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle / Law
c) The Pauli Exclusion Principle/ Law
10
The test.
Every theory must be tested logically ( theoretical ) and practically
a) Theory : Dualism of Consciousness: (consciousness / unconsciousness)
b) Practice : Parapsychology. Meditation.
========.
Best wishes
Israel Sadovnik  Socratus
============.
#
The secret of God and Existence is hidden 
  in the ‘ Theory of Vacuum &amp; Light Quanta ‘. 
==========..
#
I want to know how God created this world
I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, 
in the spectrum of this or that element
I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details
          / Einstein /
==========.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God as a Scientist : Ten Scientific Commandments.<br />
==.<br />
#<br />
God Himself is Creator.<br />
He/She/It created Everything.<br />
 So God must be Scientist and must use Physical/<br />
Mathematical Laws and Formulas for His/Her/Its work.<br />
#<br />
For forty days and forty nights Moses wrote the tablets<br />
 of  ‘ The Ten Commandments’.<br />
Which Commandments are they?<br />
They are moral, ethical Commandments.<br />
Can be written ‘Ten Scientific Commandments’ ?<br />
I think ‘ Yes’, God has given to us everything that necessary<br />
 to understand Him and His Genesis using Physical /<br />
Mathematical Laws and Formulas.<br />
===.<br />
Scheme.<br />
Ten Scientific Commandments:<br />
Fundamental Theory of Existence.</p>
<p>1 The infinite vacuum T=0K. ( background energy space: E ).<br />
2 The particle:<br />
 C/D = pi, R/N= k , E = Mc^2 = kc^2 , h = 0 , i^2= -1<br />
3 The spins: h =E/t , h =kb, h* = h/2pi<br />
4 The photon, the inertia<br />
5 The electron: e^2 = h*ca, E = h*f , electromagnetic field<br />
6 The gravitation, the star, the time and space<br />
7 The Proton<br />
8<br />
The Evolution of interaction between Electron and Proton<br />
a) electromagnetic<br />
b) nuclear<br />
c) biological<br />
9<br />
The Laws<br />
a) The Law of conservation and transformation energy/mass<br />
b) The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle / Law<br />
c) The Pauli Exclusion Principle/ Law<br />
10<br />
The test.<br />
Every theory must be tested logically ( theoretical ) and practically<br />
a) Theory : Dualism of Consciousness: (consciousness / unconsciousness)<br />
b) Practice : Parapsychology. Meditation.<br />
========.<br />
Best wishes<br />
Israel Sadovnik  Socratus<br />
============.<br />
#<br />
The secret of God and Existence is hidden<br />
  in the ‘ Theory of Vacuum &amp; Light Quanta ‘.<br />
==========..<br />
#<br />
I want to know how God created this world<br />
I am not interested in this or that phenomenon,<br />
in the spectrum of this or that element<br />
I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details<br />
          / Einstein /<br />
==========.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Ash</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2009/organized-religion-science-atheism/comment-page-1/#comment-3934</link>
		<dc:creator>Miss Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!  My name is Ash... I stumbled upon your site and now can&#039;t wait to dive into it!
I&#039;m a 29 y/o female from Colorado.   I have a blog and write extensively about my beliefs (spiritual and more).  Un/Fortunately, my blog is connected to ME, personally.  I tied it up so all of my posts post on Facebook, where I&#039;m friends with hundreds of people I&#039;ve known throughout my life. 
I sort of care what they think when they read it.  *IF* they read it. 
At the same time, I can&#039;t care TOO much about it, because it&#039;s MY blog, I pay for the domain, etc... and I figure that if people don&#039;t like what I express, they can delete me as a friend, or not read what I write. 

However, when I wrote about my spiritual beliefs, which stray greatly from the Lutheran upbringing I had, I was *shocked* when the current principal of my old high school commented on something. 

I guess I&#039;m a little ambiguous about it all.  THIS is me.  This is what I think.  I&#039;ll gladly discuss my beliefs with anyone as long as they can respond respectfully and rationally...
Now if only rationality was an actual definable thing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!  My name is Ash&#8230; I stumbled upon your site and now can&#8217;t wait to dive into it!<br />
I&#8217;m a 29 y/o female from Colorado.   I have a blog and write extensively about my beliefs (spiritual and more).  Un/Fortunately, my blog is connected to ME, personally.  I tied it up so all of my posts post on Facebook, where I&#8217;m friends with hundreds of people I&#8217;ve known throughout my life.<br />
I sort of care what they think when they read it.  *IF* they read it.<br />
At the same time, I can&#8217;t care TOO much about it, because it&#8217;s MY blog, I pay for the domain, etc&#8230; and I figure that if people don&#8217;t like what I express, they can delete me as a friend, or not read what I write. </p>
<p>However, when I wrote about my spiritual beliefs, which stray greatly from the Lutheran upbringing I had, I was *shocked* when the current principal of my old high school commented on something. </p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m a little ambiguous about it all.  THIS is me.  This is what I think.  I&#8217;ll gladly discuss my beliefs with anyone as long as they can respond respectfully and rationally&#8230;<br />
Now if only rationality was an actual definable thing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Katinka - Spirituality</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katinka - Spirituality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Littlewren: glad to have you here. Yes, that&#039;s me on the right. 

There are theosophists in Australia btw. Though perhaps they&#039;re only in the larger cities. You will find there&#039;s hardly a religious topic we don&#039;t like to discuss :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Littlewren: glad to have you here. Yes, that&#8217;s me on the right. </p>
<p>There are theosophists in Australia btw. Though perhaps they&#8217;re only in the larger cities. You will find there&#8217;s hardly a religious topic we don&#8217;t like to discuss <img src='http://www.allconsidering.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Littlewren</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2009/organized-religion-science-atheism/comment-page-1/#comment-3599</link>
		<dc:creator>Littlewren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First up, I love this website I just stumbled! If that is you on the right of the screen you look kind of familiar to me, but it could be we are related, as I have plenty of relatives in the Netherlands! (I live in Australia.)

I feel comfortable talking about my beliefs, generally, in that I feel at peace with where I stand on the &quot;spectrum&quot;, and I am pleased to say very often I am equally comfortable with *not* talking about my beliefs, as I think when I was younger it was harder for me to keep my mouth shut! (I am now 39) I must say it is comforting to find discourse among people who seem to be on a wavelength such as the present authors and many of those who have posted here. I don&#039;t find so much of it where I live, but then, perhaps I have not learned to look!

It is interesting that you say the Dutch did not discuss religion in times past. This may explain why my aunt politely ignored all my questions about her church on a visit many years ago. She wouldn&#039;t tell me the name of it or where it was. It didn&#039;t occur to me that I was making a faux pas: I just like visiting churches when I travel because I find them beautiful. I thought it would be nice to see hers.

 In Australia it is my impression that people tend to treat religion as a fairly personal thing. We don&#039;t discuss it a great deal and we seem to prefer to keep it largely out of public life.

 I grew up in an extrememly homogenous community, in social, economic and cultural terms, so the level of potential for conflict was relatively low. As a kid my impression of church goers was one of polite exclusion, a bit like my aunty. I never had any trouble with atheists, but it seems to me they have become angier on the whole. I once posted comments on an atheist website, and I had no idea what I was letting myself in for! I learned that many atheists have a wonderful talent for inventing insults.

As an adult I have come to understand the different perspectives a bit better. I think the comment about cognitive dissonance is spot on, and as such I have learned that silence can be a real blessing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First up, I love this website I just stumbled! If that is you on the right of the screen you look kind of familiar to me, but it could be we are related, as I have plenty of relatives in the Netherlands! (I live in Australia.)</p>
<p>I feel comfortable talking about my beliefs, generally, in that I feel at peace with where I stand on the &#8220;spectrum&#8221;, and I am pleased to say very often I am equally comfortable with *not* talking about my beliefs, as I think when I was younger it was harder for me to keep my mouth shut! (I am now 39) I must say it is comforting to find discourse among people who seem to be on a wavelength such as the present authors and many of those who have posted here. I don&#8217;t find so much of it where I live, but then, perhaps I have not learned to look!</p>
<p>It is interesting that you say the Dutch did not discuss religion in times past. This may explain why my aunt politely ignored all my questions about her church on a visit many years ago. She wouldn&#8217;t tell me the name of it or where it was. It didn&#8217;t occur to me that I was making a faux pas: I just like visiting churches when I travel because I find them beautiful. I thought it would be nice to see hers.</p>
<p> In Australia it is my impression that people tend to treat religion as a fairly personal thing. We don&#8217;t discuss it a great deal and we seem to prefer to keep it largely out of public life.</p>
<p> I grew up in an extrememly homogenous community, in social, economic and cultural terms, so the level of potential for conflict was relatively low. As a kid my impression of church goers was one of polite exclusion, a bit like my aunty. I never had any trouble with atheists, but it seems to me they have become angier on the whole. I once posted comments on an atheist website, and I had no idea what I was letting myself in for! I learned that many atheists have a wonderful talent for inventing insults.</p>
<p>As an adult I have come to understand the different perspectives a bit better. I think the comment about cognitive dissonance is spot on, and as such I have learned that silence can be a real blessing.</p>
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		<title>By: katinka</title>
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		<dc:creator>katinka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all, thanks for your contributions.

Darryl: Have you checked every one of your beliefs - or everything you think you know? It&#039;s highly unlikely you know that you have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all, thanks for your contributions.</p>
<p>Darryl: Have you checked every one of your beliefs &#8211; or everything you think you know? It&#8217;s highly unlikely you know that you have.</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I try to stay away from beliefs. When someone begins to tell me about their beliefs, I stop them and ask them to tell me what they KNOW.

A belief, after all, is just an opinion that one accepts to be &#039;true.&#039; As such, beliefs are dishonest opinions, because to hold to a belief is to say that you too lazy to verify for yourself that your opinion is &#039;true.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I try to stay away from beliefs. When someone begins to tell me about their beliefs, I stop them and ask them to tell me what they KNOW.</p>
<p>A belief, after all, is just an opinion that one accepts to be &#8216;true.&#8217; As such, beliefs are dishonest opinions, because to hold to a belief is to say that you too lazy to verify for yourself that your opinion is &#8216;true.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda Sage</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2009/organized-religion-science-atheism/comment-page-1/#comment-2660</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m 30 years old, female, and living in the United States (Boston, MA). I was born in New England and have been here ever since, except when I went to college in the state of Ohio. 

Spiritually, I&#039;m an agnostic. I don&#039;t care for inflexible atheism or blind religious faith; I think everything we think we know can and must be questioned.

My family background is interesting for its religious diversity, so I&#039;ll talk a bit about that.

My mother is a Jewish atheist; she is proud of her Jewish cultural heritage but does not trust any sort of religious or spiritual orientation. She and my sister are strict pragmatists with very little interest in anything ethereal.

My father was raised Christian in an observant household. He always loved singing in the church choir. He has strong spiritual inclinations, but his family of origin was quite disturbed (lots of alcoholism, violence, etc. ) and I think he considered Christianity something to be left behind along with his parents and brothers. He now defines himself as agnostic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 30 years old, female, and living in the United States (Boston, MA). I was born in New England and have been here ever since, except when I went to college in the state of Ohio. </p>
<p>Spiritually, I&#8217;m an agnostic. I don&#8217;t care for inflexible atheism or blind religious faith; I think everything we think we know can and must be questioned.</p>
<p>My family background is interesting for its religious diversity, so I&#8217;ll talk a bit about that.</p>
<p>My mother is a Jewish atheist; she is proud of her Jewish cultural heritage but does not trust any sort of religious or spiritual orientation. She and my sister are strict pragmatists with very little interest in anything ethereal.</p>
<p>My father was raised Christian in an observant household. He always loved singing in the church choir. He has strong spiritual inclinations, but his family of origin was quite disturbed (lots of alcoholism, violence, etc. ) and I think he considered Christianity something to be left behind along with his parents and brothers. He now defines himself as agnostic.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Furth</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2009/organized-religion-science-atheism/comment-page-1/#comment-2645</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Furth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@katinka, 

glad you liked it! been reading u for a while and am thrilled...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@katinka, </p>
<p>glad you liked it! been reading u for a while and am thrilled&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Katinka - Spirituality</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katinka - Spirituality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alan,

Welcome here - love your blog btw :) I think you may like my next blogpost as well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alan,</p>
<p>Welcome here &#8211; love your blog btw <img src='http://www.allconsidering.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I think you may like my next blogpost as well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Furth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Furth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a 35-year old, born in Venezuela, but have lived in many countries. Today I travel back and forth between the US and Argentina. My father is Jewish and my mother is Catholic, which I formally am too, but none of us practice these religions.

I am both an eager student of Taoism and a believer in the power of the scientific method to understand reality. So if I were to put a label on my spiritual beliefs, that would be something like &quot;Daoism-based panpsychism.&quot; 

This always puts me in an uncomfortable position with secularists and religious people alike. The former find it awkward that I believe that matter, when organized in a sufficiently complex way (and therefore the universe) has some sort of consciousness we can communicate with through transcendental experience. And the latter are usually disturbed by the fact that I refuse to consider this form of higher intelligence as independent from matter, or identify it with an anthropomorphic God.

But luckily, wherever I am in the world I always manage to find my niche -- people that are open-minded enough to not fall for the prototypical &quot;religion vs. science&quot; contention :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a 35-year old, born in Venezuela, but have lived in many countries. Today I travel back and forth between the US and Argentina. My father is Jewish and my mother is Catholic, which I formally am too, but none of us practice these religions.</p>
<p>I am both an eager student of Taoism and a believer in the power of the scientific method to understand reality. So if I were to put a label on my spiritual beliefs, that would be something like &#8220;Daoism-based panpsychism.&#8221; </p>
<p>This always puts me in an uncomfortable position with secularists and religious people alike. The former find it awkward that I believe that matter, when organized in a sufficiently complex way (and therefore the universe) has some sort of consciousness we can communicate with through transcendental experience. And the latter are usually disturbed by the fact that I refuse to consider this form of higher intelligence as independent from matter, or identify it with an anthropomorphic God.</p>
<p>But luckily, wherever I am in the world I always manage to find my niche &#8212; people that are open-minded enough to not fall for the prototypical &#8220;religion vs. science&#8221; contention <img src='http://www.allconsidering.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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