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	<title>Comments on: Moral lessons from the economic crisis &amp; some political critique</title>
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		<title>By: katinka - spiritual</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2009/moral-lessons-economic-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-502</link>
		<dc:creator>katinka - spiritual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 07:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alan,

Nice to see you here. As this is a spiritual blog, morality is a central topic for me. I&#039;m sure the factors you mention played a part, as well as the basic problem that humans react in herds - people were starting to believe that the market could only go up. What that lead to has been known ever since the first &#039;stock market&#039; collapse in human history: tulip bulbs prices sky rocketing in Amsterdam - and then price collapse.

If we could find a way to NOT have people respond in herds so much, we&#039;d be a lot better off. But I&#039;m afraid that&#039;s  very unlikely to change. Partly, probably, because one of the strengths of our species is precisely that we learn from each other and can delegate knowledge to specialists. And then the specialists have to be trusted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alan,</p>
<p>Nice to see you here. As this is a spiritual blog, morality is a central topic for me. I&#8217;m sure the factors you mention played a part, as well as the basic problem that humans react in herds &#8211; people were starting to believe that the market could only go up. What that lead to has been known ever since the first &#8217;stock market&#8217; collapse in human history: tulip bulbs prices sky rocketing in Amsterdam &#8211; and then price collapse.</p>
<p>If we could find a way to NOT have people respond in herds so much, we&#8217;d be a lot better off. But I&#8217;m afraid that&#8217;s  very unlikely to change. Partly, probably, because one of the strengths of our species is precisely that we learn from each other and can delegate knowledge to specialists. And then the specialists have to be trusted.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Furth</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2009/moral-lessons-economic-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-501</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Furth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 01:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While greed was obviously one of the major causes of the crisis, I think that we are a bit stuck on this issue and missing parts of the bigger picture.

I recently wrote an article where I point towards the fact that this crisis was also a crisis of epistemology, of the biased ideology stemming from the financial industry&#039;s pseudo-scientific approach to understanding the economy, and in particular, its blind faith in mathematical tools that in essence are unable to capture the enormous complexity of a modern market economy.

For example, Felix Salmon wrote a recent article where he demonstrates that a single mathematical formula proposed by a Chinese economist who was revered to the point of being consider the possible next Nobel prize winner, was responsible for the triple A&#039;s given to CDO&#039;s that exploded as soon as the real estate market collapsed.

My conclusion is that Wall Street would benefit greatly not only from better regulation and ethics, but also from hiring people with a more right-brain approach to the world, less prone to the pseudo-scientific hubris that deluded the industry into the arrogance of thinking they could predict the economy with simple mathematical models.

I reflect on these issues and provide links to relevant articles here: http://alanfurth.com/a-whole-new-mind-for-finance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While greed was obviously one of the major causes of the crisis, I think that we are a bit stuck on this issue and missing parts of the bigger picture.</p>
<p>I recently wrote an article where I point towards the fact that this crisis was also a crisis of epistemology, of the biased ideology stemming from the financial industry&#8217;s pseudo-scientific approach to understanding the economy, and in particular, its blind faith in mathematical tools that in essence are unable to capture the enormous complexity of a modern market economy.</p>
<p>For example, Felix Salmon wrote a recent article where he demonstrates that a single mathematical formula proposed by a Chinese economist who was revered to the point of being consider the possible next Nobel prize winner, was responsible for the triple A&#8217;s given to CDO&#8217;s that exploded as soon as the real estate market collapsed.</p>
<p>My conclusion is that Wall Street would benefit greatly not only from better regulation and ethics, but also from hiring people with a more right-brain approach to the world, less prone to the pseudo-scientific hubris that deluded the industry into the arrogance of thinking they could predict the economy with simple mathematical models.</p>
<p>I reflect on these issues and provide links to relevant articles here: <a href="http://alanfurth.com/a-whole-new-mind-for-finance" rel="nofollow">http://alanfurth.com/a-whole-new-mind-for-finance</a></p>
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		<title>By: katinka - spiritual</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2009/moral-lessons-economic-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-500</link>
		<dc:creator>katinka - spiritual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 05:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By now you&#039;ve paid for it, yes. I believe more in paying the government to keep an eye on such things than in not paying anybody at all though. One of the things the video makes clear is that the FBI knew what was going on and would have done something earlier if half their staff hadn&#039;t been reassigned (after 9/11) to investigate terrorism. AND not been replaced. And them not being replaced surely has something to do with money... and the government not having enough of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By now you&#8217;ve paid for it, yes. I believe more in paying the government to keep an eye on such things than in not paying anybody at all though. One of the things the video makes clear is that the FBI knew what was going on and would have done something earlier if half their staff hadn&#8217;t been reassigned (after 9/11) to investigate terrorism. AND not been replaced. And them not being replaced surely has something to do with money&#8230; and the government not having enough of it.</p>
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		<title>By: richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 20:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you put your money into the hands of another and then make no effort to keep an eye on them. Then later say that you don&#039;t want anyone else to keep an eye on them (deregulation).  You set up every day men to sin, steal, comitt deciet, fraud, lie, and on and on.

We did it to ourselves. We voted for it. Paid for.  Supported it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you put your money into the hands of another and then make no effort to keep an eye on them. Then later say that you don&#8217;t want anyone else to keep an eye on them (deregulation).  You set up every day men to sin, steal, comitt deciet, fraud, lie, and on and on.</p>
<p>We did it to ourselves. We voted for it. Paid for.  Supported it.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Patapenka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Patapenka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 04:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very insightful! I always enjoy your blogs Katinka.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very insightful! I always enjoy your blogs Katinka.</p>
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