Comments on: My spiritual path: pondering (or jnana yoga) http://www.allconsidering.com/2008/my-spiritual-path-pondering-or-jnana-yoga/ Considering life, spiritual growth and more ponderings Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:57:37 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Chris | Martial Development http://www.allconsidering.com/2008/my-spiritual-path-pondering-or-jnana-yoga/comment-page-1/#comment-10 Chris | Martial Development Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:41:39 +0000 http://www.allconsidering.com/?p=15#comment-10 It is easy to forget that the highest achievement of reasoning is not truth, nor wisdom; it is consistency. For best results, we must gather <i>data</i> from outside the sphere of mundane existence--experience which cannot be expressed in words or otherwise reduced to symbols--and establish coherence and consistency with <i>that</i>. It is easy to forget that the highest achievement of reasoning is not truth, nor wisdom; it is consistency. For best results, we must gather data from outside the sphere of mundane existence–experience which cannot be expressed in words or otherwise reduced to symbols–and establish coherence and consistency with that.

]]> By: Katinka Hesselink - All Condering http://www.allconsidering.com/2008/my-spiritual-path-pondering-or-jnana-yoga/comment-page-1/#comment-12 Katinka Hesselink - All Condering Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:52:14 +0000 http://www.allconsidering.com/?p=15#comment-12 Good one - that's perhaps the basis for a future post. For now: only when you know what your feelings ARE can you truly transcend them and see them as basically pain. It's one of those paradoxes where every extreme is ignorance. Good one – that’s perhaps the basis for a future post. For now: only when you know what your feelings ARE can you truly transcend them and see them as basically pain. It’s one of those paradoxes where every extreme is ignorance.

]]> By: Alex http://www.allconsidering.com/2008/my-spiritual-path-pondering-or-jnana-yoga/comment-page-1/#comment-11 Alex Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:44:42 +0000 http://www.allconsidering.com/?p=15#comment-11 Sooo you fully agree with those who say "we have to stay in touch with our emotions"? Well I'm sorry but we Buddhists must accept "the four seals of dharma"! hehe All compounded things are impermanent. All emotions are pain. All things have no inherent existence. [are empty / selfless] Nirvana is beyond concepts. If you cannot eccept that all emotions are pain, if you believe that actually some emotions are purely pleasurable, then you are not a Buddhist. -Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche, What makes you not a Buddhist. By the way great job, thanks for sharing your knowledge :) Sooo you fully agree with those who say “we have to stay in touch with our emotions”?
Well I’m sorry but we Buddhists must accept “the four seals of dharma”! hehe

All compounded things are impermanent.
All emotions are pain.
All things have no inherent existence. [are empty / selfless]
Nirvana is beyond concepts.

If you cannot eccept that all emotions are pain, if you believe that actually some emotions are purely pleasurable, then you are not a Buddhist. -Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche, What makes you not a Buddhist.

By the way great job, thanks for sharing your knowledge :)

]]> By: Katinka Hesselink - All Considering http://www.allconsidering.com/2008/my-spiritual-path-pondering-or-jnana-yoga/comment-page-1/#comment-9 Katinka Hesselink - All Considering Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:22:34 +0000 http://www.allconsidering.com/?p=15#comment-9 You ask the age-old question. Alright, I'll bite. Here's a few considerations: The ultimate truth? I don't really know what that means to be honest :) Pondering and thinking - are they the same thing? I don't know about other people, I just know that pondering is essential for my life. I know that there are limitations to the truths the mind can come up with - but since pondering includes openness to higher levels of truth - call it intuition, or buddhi, or the 'still small voice' - the limitations of words don't limit my path, I don't think. I do think however that before one can go beyond words, beyond concepts - one has to really truly realize their limitations. For many people, that's just not where they are. And yes: this makes me part of the '<a href="http://www.katinkahesselink.net/other/sudden.htm" rel="nofollow">gradual path</a>' tradition of spirituality. You ask the age-old question. Alright, I’ll bite.
Here’s a few considerations:

The ultimate truth? I don’t really know what that means to be honest :)

Pondering and thinking – are they the same thing?

I don’t know about other people, I just know that pondering is essential for my life. I know that there are limitations to the truths the mind can come up with – but since pondering includes openness to higher levels of truth – call it intuition, or buddhi, or the ’still small voice’ – the limitations of words don’t limit my path, I don’t think.

I do think however that before one can go beyond words, beyond concepts – one has to really truly realize their limitations. For many people, that’s just not where they are.

And yes: this makes me part of the ‘gradual path‘ tradition of spirituality.

]]> By: Ariel - We Are All One http://www.allconsidering.com/2008/my-spiritual-path-pondering-or-jnana-yoga/comment-page-1/#comment-8 Ariel - We Are All One Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:55:55 +0000 http://www.allconsidering.com/?p=15#comment-8 You're right in that thinking can be a virtue. It can certainly be a useful tool to help us do math problems and design buildings. Is it a tool that can discover ultimate truth, however? You’re right in that thinking can be a virtue. It can certainly be a useful tool to help us do math problems and design buildings.

Is it a tool that can discover ultimate truth, however?

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