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		<title>By: katinka - spirituality</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2008/group-karma-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-169</link>
		<dc:creator>katinka - spirituality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annedien: I think you just noticed the main underlying issue (aka you&#039;re smart), which I also noticed &amp; wrote about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annedien: I think you just noticed the main underlying issue (aka you&#8217;re smart), which I also noticed &amp; wrote about.</p>
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		<title>By: katinka - spirituality</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2008/group-karma-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>katinka - spirituality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes - long term karma does go back to those who cause it. This includes environmentally negative actions. That too is karma, because that too is action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes &#8211; long term karma does go back to those who cause it. This includes environmentally negative actions. That too is karma, because that too is action.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2008/group-karma-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-167</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does bad karma befall the indivdual who is globally irresponsible? I ask this because personal selfishness can be highly beneficial for the individual and highly detrimental to the group. Greed is a perfect example of this. The free-marketers will tell you that private greed leads to public good, but the world economic crisis is showing quite the opposite, except, of course for the wealthy, who are largely immune to these problems.
Taxpayers always want lower taxes, but in the United States the simple fact is that 60% of all corporations pay no taxes at all, because they have tax attorneys to help them skirt around the tax code. In fact, a few years ago when the oil companies were racking up profits to the tune of $130 billion dollars, Congress gave them an additional rebate.
Budgets in the U.S. are never cut, they are simply never funded with sufficient revenues. This is why we have monthly deficits totaling hundreds of billions of dollars, and the national debt is now approaching 11 trillion dollars. Add to this 37 million Americans living in poverty and 45 million having no health coverage and the problem becomes unmanageable. President Bush never vetoed a single spending bill while President, except for the last one which would have provided medical care for children.
Home foreclosures are completely out of control. In the state of Florida, there are so many vacant, abandoned homes left unchecked that criminals occupy them and set up marijuana growing factories. They change the plumbing to re-route the water supply, thereby destroying the home with mold and mildew. Then the bank, which now owns the home cannot resell it because it is uninhabitable.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does bad karma befall the indivdual who is globally irresponsible? I ask this because personal selfishness can be highly beneficial for the individual and highly detrimental to the group. Greed is a perfect example of this. The free-marketers will tell you that private greed leads to public good, but the world economic crisis is showing quite the opposite, except, of course for the wealthy, who are largely immune to these problems.<br />
Taxpayers always want lower taxes, but in the United States the simple fact is that 60% of all corporations pay no taxes at all, because they have tax attorneys to help them skirt around the tax code. In fact, a few years ago when the oil companies were racking up profits to the tune of $130 billion dollars, Congress gave them an additional rebate.</p>
<p>Budgets in the U.S. are never cut, they are simply never funded with sufficient revenues. This is why we have monthly deficits totaling hundreds of billions of dollars, and the national debt is now approaching 11 trillion dollars. Add to this 37 million Americans living in poverty and 45 million having no health coverage and the problem becomes unmanageable. President Bush never vetoed a single spending bill while President, except for the last one which would have provided medical care for children.<br />
Home foreclosures are completely out of control. In the state of Florida, there are so many vacant, abandoned homes left unchecked that criminals occupy them and set up marijuana growing factories. They change the plumbing to re-route the water supply, thereby destroying the home with mold and mildew. Then the bank, which now owns the home cannot resell it because it is uninhabitable.</p>
<p>ken</p>
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		<title>By: Annedien</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2008/group-karma-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-166</link>
		<dc:creator>Annedien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This does provide me with a very good answer to the question why the enlightened should, and often feel compelled to, enlighten those around them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This does provide me with a very good answer to the question why the enlightened should, and often feel compelled to, enlighten those around them.</p>
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		<title>By: Annedien</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2008/group-karma-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-165</link>
		<dc:creator>Annedien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anticipate? Or Group Mind ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anticipate? Or Group Mind <img src='http://www.allconsidering.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Katinka Hesselink - All Considering</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2008/group-karma-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>Katinka Hesselink - All Considering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long term: yes. Good individual karma is a protection. In this life however we are stuck with the group we are in. Hard work will still help, obviously. It has always been possible for the talented and hard working to rise above the average and grow into another destiny (those few rich jewish bankers come to mind, who had a very different fate than all those poor jewish people in the getto).
To an extent it&#039;s the tragedy of the commons: the environment suffers from all of us collectively taking more than we need (roughly). Each individual not doing that does not get the benefit short term. Except for feeling good about themselves.
I don&#039;t want to go into this too much today, because you have anticipated a post I&#039;m publishing on Monday ;)
Your question ties in with &#039;the secret&#039; to an extent. In difficult times, when one feels one is doing what one can, there is a NEED to believe that everything will turn out fine. In a sense the message is to the universe: &#039;what more can I do? Please take care of me...&#039; But there is unfortunately no guarantee that our past karma is such that we will deserve to be taken care of in the way we would like in this life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long term: yes. Good individual karma is a protection. In this life however we are stuck with the group we are in. Hard work will still help, obviously. It has always been possible for the talented and hard working to rise above the average and grow into another destiny (those few rich jewish bankers come to mind, who had a very different fate than all those poor jewish people in the getto).</p>
<p>To an extent it&#8217;s the tragedy of the commons: the environment suffers from all of us collectively taking more than we need (roughly). Each individual not doing that does not get the benefit short term. Except for feeling good about themselves.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to go into this too much today, because you have anticipated a post I&#8217;m publishing on Monday <img src='http://www.allconsidering.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Your question ties in with &#8216;the secret&#8217; to an extent. In difficult times, when one feels one is doing what one can, there is a NEED to believe that everything will turn out fine. In a sense the message is to the universe: &#8216;what more can I do? Please take care of me&#8230;&#8217; But there is unfortunately no guarantee that our past karma is such that we will deserve to be taken care of in the way we would like in this life.</p>
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		<title>By: Annedien</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2008/group-karma-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-163</link>
		<dc:creator>Annedien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a way to revert, undo or protect oneself from group karma?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a way to revert, undo or protect oneself from group karma?</p>
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		<title>By: katinka - spirituality</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2008/group-karma-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-162</link>
		<dc:creator>katinka - spirituality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not seen that movie. Is it good?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not seen that movie. Is it good?</p>
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		<title>By: katinka - spirituality</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2008/group-karma-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>katinka - spirituality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m using group karma as a concept to show group effects in karma. That is: things we have to face as groups. Ecological issues are things we will all have to face together globally, just like the economic crisis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m using group karma as a concept to show group effects in karma. That is: things we have to face as groups. Ecological issues are things we will all have to face together globally, just like the economic crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: Annedien</title>
		<link>http://www.allconsidering.com/2008/group-karma-economics/comment-page-1/#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator>Annedien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you seen &#039;Zeitgeist, Addendum&#039;?
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Is &#039;group karma&#039; the same as &#039;ecology&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you seen &#8216;Zeitgeist, Addendum&#8217;?<br />
<a href="http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/</a></p>
<p>Is &#8216;group karma&#8217; the same as &#8216;ecology&#8217;?</p>
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