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		<title>By: Karma and politics, economy, ecology and reincarnation &#171; Theosophist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karma and politics, economy, ecology and reincarnation &#171; Theosophist</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] harmony. Only by acting in harmony with all that is can disharmony be solved. On the upside: that Barack Obama was elected despite the color of his skin says something positive about the group karma...&#8230; Do you all [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] harmony. Only by acting in harmony with all that is can disharmony be solved. On the upside: that Barack Obama was elected despite the color of his skin says something positive about the group karma&#8230;&#8230; Do you all [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Katinka Hesselink - All Considering</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katinka Hesselink - All Considering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All action is karma. That is: the USA has acted positively by electing a black president who may change a few things (though I agree he has a hard road ahead of him and the high hopes people have are bound to be disappointed. He can hardly live up to them).

Similarly, on the negative side, refusing education to women is a (collective) negative action, which too will bring consequences especially for those who act them out. So I am not attributing these things to karma - karma works both ways: it is an action as well as the social and spiritual reaction that automatically follows, whether slowly or quickly.

Culture is part of the law of karma. Culture is the collective action (in thought, word, feeling and literal action) of groups of people. These actions bring about results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All action is karma. That is: the USA has acted positively by electing a black president who may change a few things (though I agree he has a hard road ahead of him and the high hopes people have are bound to be disappointed. He can hardly live up to them).</p>
<p>Similarly, on the negative side, refusing education to women is a (collective) negative action, which too will bring consequences especially for those who act them out. So I am not attributing these things to karma &#8211; karma works both ways: it is an action as well as the social and spiritual reaction that automatically follows, whether slowly or quickly.</p>
<p>Culture is part of the law of karma. Culture is the collective action (in thought, word, feeling and literal action) of groups of people. These actions bring about results.</p>
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		<title>By: Theosophy Watch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theosophy Watch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 05:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We find H. P. Blavatsky explaining these ideas in 1889 under the label of &quot;distributive karma&quot; in her book The Key to Theosophy. (&quot;THEO&quot; is a generic knowledgeable Theosophist, and &quot;ENQ&quot; is a generic enquirer.)

ENQ. But, surely, all these evils which seem to fall upon the masses somewhat indiscriminately are not actual merited and INDIVIDUAL karma.

THEO. No, they cannot be so strictly defined in their effects as to show that each individual environment, and the particular conditions of life in which each person finds himself, are nothing more than the retributive Karma which the individual generated in a previous life.

We must not lose sight of the fact that every atom is subject to the general law governing the whole body to which it belongs, and here we come upon the wider track of the Karmic law, Do you not perceive that the aggregate of individual Karma becomes that of the nation to which those individuals belong, and further, that the sum total of National Karma is that of the World?

The evils that you speak of are not peculiar to the individual or even to the Nation, they are more or less universal; and it is upon this broad line of Human interdependence that the law of Karma finds its legitimate and equable issue.

Blavatsky explains that the fundamental reason for the reality of group karma is that we are fundamentally not separate as individuals as we think we are.

ENQ. Do I, then, understand that the law of Karma is not necessarily an individual law?

THEO. That is just what I mean. It is impossible that Karma could readjust the balance of power in the world&#039;s life and progress, unless it had a broad and general line of action. It is held as a truth among Theosophists that the interdependence of Humanity is the cause of what is called Distributive Karma, and it is this law which affords the solution to the great question of collective suffering and its relief.

It is an occult law, moreover, that no man can rise superior to his individual failings, without lifting, be it ever so little, the whole body of which he is an integral part. In the same way, no one can sin, nor suffer the effects of sin, alone. In reality, there is no such thing as &quot;separateness&quot;; and the nearest approach to that selfish state, which the laws of life permit, is in the intent or motive. (Key to Theosophy by Blavatsky, p202-3)</description>
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<p>ENQ. But, surely, all these evils which seem to fall upon the masses somewhat indiscriminately are not actual merited and INDIVIDUAL karma.</p>
<p>THEO. No, they cannot be so strictly defined in their effects as to show that each individual environment, and the particular conditions of life in which each person finds himself, are nothing more than the retributive Karma which the individual generated in a previous life.</p>
<p>We must not lose sight of the fact that every atom is subject to the general law governing the whole body to which it belongs, and here we come upon the wider track of the Karmic law, Do you not perceive that the aggregate of individual Karma becomes that of the nation to which those individuals belong, and further, that the sum total of National Karma is that of the World?</p>
<p>The evils that you speak of are not peculiar to the individual or even to the Nation, they are more or less universal; and it is upon this broad line of Human interdependence that the law of Karma finds its legitimate and equable issue.</p>
<p>Blavatsky explains that the fundamental reason for the reality of group karma is that we are fundamentally not separate as individuals as we think we are.</p>
<p>ENQ. Do I, then, understand that the law of Karma is not necessarily an individual law?</p>
<p>THEO. That is just what I mean. It is impossible that Karma could readjust the balance of power in the world&#8217;s life and progress, unless it had a broad and general line of action. It is held as a truth among Theosophists that the interdependence of Humanity is the cause of what is called Distributive Karma, and it is this law which affords the solution to the great question of collective suffering and its relief.</p>
<p>It is an occult law, moreover, that no man can rise superior to his individual failings, without lifting, be it ever so little, the whole body of which he is an integral part. In the same way, no one can sin, nor suffer the effects of sin, alone. In reality, there is no such thing as &#8220;separateness&#8221;; and the nearest approach to that selfish state, which the laws of life permit, is in the intent or motive. (Key to Theosophy by Blavatsky, p202-3)</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of attributing these variables to karma, why not attribute it to cultural mores? The attitude towards women in many countries in Asia and the Middle East is deplorable. In Saudi Arabia women cannot vote, they cannot drive automobiles, they must be escorted by men when leaving their homes, and many public places are gender segregated. These conventions are the product of traditions passed on unquestioningly from one generation to the next.
As far as Obama is concerned, here in the U.S., things are in such a mess, the situation so desperate, and the integrity of traditional institutions so undermined, that Obama has been given the mantle of a Messiah, which will no doubt lead to a rude awakening sometime in the near future. Even he has made jokes about being born in a manger. Citizens can&#039;t imagine things getting much worse, but this remains to be seen. Certainly electing a black man as President is an exhilirating moment in this country&#039;s history, and I share in it, since I voted for him. But at bottom line the question is policy, not personality. Let&#039;s not forget that while Obama has promised to get American troops out of Iraq, he has also promised to send many more over to Afghanistan, which, to me, is the height of foolishness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of attributing these variables to karma, why not attribute it to cultural mores? The attitude towards women in many countries in Asia and the Middle East is deplorable. In Saudi Arabia women cannot vote, they cannot drive automobiles, they must be escorted by men when leaving their homes, and many public places are gender segregated. These conventions are the product of traditions passed on unquestioningly from one generation to the next.<br />
As far as Obama is concerned, here in the U.S., things are in such a mess, the situation so desperate, and the integrity of traditional institutions so undermined, that Obama has been given the mantle of a Messiah, which will no doubt lead to a rude awakening sometime in the near future. Even he has made jokes about being born in a manger. Citizens can&#8217;t imagine things getting much worse, but this remains to be seen. Certainly electing a black man as President is an exhilirating moment in this country&#8217;s history, and I share in it, since I voted for him. But at bottom line the question is policy, not personality. Let&#8217;s not forget that while Obama has promised to get American troops out of Iraq, he has also promised to send many more over to Afghanistan, which, to me, is the height of foolishness.</p>
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