Comments on: Can a person live on a vegan diet?

By: David Chmelik

David Chmelik — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:14:06 +0000

Vegetarianism is good but may only be the 3rd (ovo-lacto) and 4th (lacto) of about 7 steps, after veganism which are natural hygiene and if possible (maybe not for everyone,) rawist natural hygiene. Each step decreases ecological harm. Even the 2nd to last step should be quite rawist–the more one is the less packaging, heating, etc. is used, though much heating still may be used. I have tried it but know of few/no very active rawists (at least long-term,) maybe because of calories (unless I am misinformed) and the fact there are advantages & disadvantages for both rawism and some cooking.

I may have been a bit estranged from my parents when trying to be more hygienic (though they raised me one,) especially rawist. I think the steps to veganism and semi-natural hygiene (similar to macrobiotism, i.e. with cooking) are much easier and similar since they allow cooking and there are substitutes for everything. It just takes a little learning of those… maybe not all vegan substitutes are the same, I would not know. Veganism requires ω-acids, particularly such as in ground flax/linseeds. Nutrition investigation is also necessary for methods of rawism even mixed with some cooking. Maybe I was not rawist long enough, but maybe there is an alternate step such as trying alchemy/ORMEs or sungazing if they can be safe.

The legal definition ‘free range’ is actually a very small space… I am not sure but it may still include small containers. IIRC eggs have the most cholesterol of any food (plants have none,) and cows’ milk is one that is most different than humans’ (too different than others probably including plant-derived ones.) Veganism is a good step but not necessarily the last….

I mostly agree with Jess about desire (but one should see how all consciousness levels work.) Rawism (at least partial) and beyond also gives me increased sense of good existences.

By: Jess

Jess — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:36:25 +0000

Hi Katinka,
Interesting post.
I would question still whether the organic farmer’s dairy products are creulty free! Beyond the question of whether the farmer behaves compassionately, 80% of meat products are actually a product of the dairy industry, so by supporting the dairy industry, there is an indirect support for the meat industry.
My own expeiences with veganism has given me an increased sense of self realisation… only by testing yourself can you figure out the way your mind works. Only by taking something away can you examine the reasons why you desire that something.

By: Katinka Hesselink - All Considering

Katinka Hesselink - All Considering — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:38:43 +0000

Can you really work on spiritual growth without being the best person you can be?

But yes - most theosophists feel that eating meat is bad for your vibrations. That is: eating blood brings you down. Makes you less spiritual. You will literally feel lighter on a vegetarian or vegan diet - as long as you keep it healthy that is.

By: Ariel - We Are All One

Ariel - We Are All One — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:53:30 +0000

Hey Katinka,

What is the main purpose of being a vegan? Does it have anything to do with spiritual growth and Self-realization or is it primarily a way to not be a part of cruelty to animals?